What Lag?

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What Lag?

There are A LOT of complaints about game lag but I'm not seeing it myself. To be honest, I'm not really sure what it means in the context of this game. What exactly are players experiencing that they are calling "lag"?

All of the CODs that I have played seem to have a slight delay. Example: I'm being hit by bullets and duck behind a building only to be killed when I thought I made it. In the killers kill-cam, it looks like I didn't quite make it.

Is that what people are talking about or is it more serious that that? Some people are saying they can't even play the game!

Not trying to be ignorant, I'm just not seeing an issue. Am I one of the lucky few?

Thanks.

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Re: What Lag?

in reply to iHuntU1

Go back to you desk at treyarch get some real work done.

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Re: What Lag?

in reply to hyper72

What, are you 11? How immature is that response?

I was asking an honest question. At least everyone else gave some good info.

There's always one in every crowd...

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in reply to iHuntU1

First latency is the delay in packets to and from your account to that of the hosts.

Example: You shot, that coded information is sent to the hosts server and a response is created and sent back to you (this all happens in milliseconds from what I understand)

Lag compensation, is a system that balances this issues with different service providers. When you are suffering from bad latency what you see on your screen will vary from what actually happens in the game. Other times you might see someone skipping, or as you said bullets find you as you hide.

This game has a serious issue in its programming to combat this, people aren't happy for this one reason.

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Re: What Lag?

in reply to Izjar11

Your definition of lag is basically correct...

lag compensation is something different:

Izjar11 wrote:

Lag compensation, is a system that balances this issues with different service providers. When you are suffering from bad latency what you see on your screen will vary from what actually happens in the game.

You do not have to be seriously delayed for lag compensation to step in. lag compensation is always there, because lag is always there... The reason why anyone says :" I do not see lag" is because lag compnesation is doing what it is supposed to be doing.

If we did not have lag compensation, you would have to shoot ahead of your targets that are moving laterally to you (and how far one would have to shoot would vary depending on how "lagged" they were... an almost impossible and frustrating exercise for sure)

Please allow me to add some comments to your post izzy (as copied from another post with a similar subject... and please note I am no way an athority and I am not going into technical facts that much because it serves no purpose, but everyone should get the basics):

What we (just about everyone) does not seem to understand is: Everything that happens in the game, already happened.  What do I mean: Let's say a player is moving from point A to point B:


A---------->B


The problem is: When we see them at point A, they have already moved to a new position: call it X


A----X----->B


The system/host knows they are at point X, but that information has not reached us yet. If the lag was reduced (matchmaking?) the difference (in position and time) between A and X would be minimal...


So what do we do? Well we shoot at A. If the lag is not too bad*, the system says: player you were shooting at A but we know the player is at X and you are lagged by "xxx seconds" so we will award you the kill if we (the system) says yes the player was where you were shooting xxx seconds ago (this is Lag Compensation - a very SIMPLE concept which I cannot figure out why so few people understand it...).


Aim Assist:


Let us say you are ADSING at point A, but the system  knows the player has moved to point X (as above). The gun will keep trying to pull to the right. Our brains say "Hey stupid aim assist, stop pulling me off target!!!" but the reality is: The system is trying to put us on target.


When this happens... FIRE!!!


* if the lag is bad... the system cannot compensate correctly and hit detection goes to hell.

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Re: What Lag?

let's get something clear...

You are not "pulled back" - a common misconception of being compensated.

The reality is: the lagged person* does not get the information that you are no longer there. The system compensates for the lag and detects a hit.

Think about things that are very far away from you (like a distant star): the image you see is delayed in time by the distance it is away from you as measured by the speed of light (thus the term light year)

- In the real world you see everything happening around you in real time as light travels so fast; but consider that everything you see has already happened (even if the time delay is so small it is insignificant).

In the data world, the time it takes for information to flow from one place to another is latency, and that is not only physically/mathematically measurable, it is also visually measurable when the data is represented (like in an online game). Lag Compensation tries to make it so everyone around the world sees everything at the same time (which is logically impossible, but required for online gaming).  If the delay is too large (cause by improper matchmaking or other forms of lag which I am not going to talk about), the system cannot compensate, and you get "WTF!?" moments.

* it is possible to create artificial lag, but we will not talk about that because many do not believe it and it only serves to confuse people... more than lag compensation does.

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Some excellent videos are out showing other serious issues with the game (cudos)...

A major problem seen since BO1 (many would agree that MW2 and previous titles did not suffer from this) is that people are being put into lobbies with high pings to the host.  Even though they said that BO2 is ping based matchmaking, I (and others) have their doubts... as sometimes (not as often as MW3) we are put into foreign lobbies.

And I do not mean lobbies with people speaking other languages.  I mean getting put into lobbies with people from other continents.

edit:  I have a theory (and yes this is just an opinion so it is highly suspect): I would bet the the world-wide success of COD is also its downfall.  People from BFN want to play... if one could only join lobbies with others from thir own "locale" they would never join games. As a result, the flood gates have opened up and it has turned the online gaming experience into a laggy pool of crud.

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Re: What Lag?

Thanks for improving what I wrote, I still find it confusing.

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Re: What Lag?

can modded controllers effect this in anyway?

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Re: What Lag?

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no

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