Even though I hate campers the idea of removing camping and making the map "flowing" and removed a lot of camping, it has hurted more. Its a f**fest. You have people spawning behind you all the time. You see people spraying randomly and getting kills all the time. You cannot run a second without getting shot. Sure it has made the gameplay a lot faster but I am definately not enjoying this type of gameplay.
This argument campers vs run and gun is pointless, tbh unless your using a little of both your a poor player. The best players who play the objectives, recieve their scorestreaks and attain high scores every game are people who tend to stick to the edges of the maps, avoiding the middle and picking people off as they go.
On game modes like Hardpoint and Domination you get more points for kills when taking the objective so if your good you will clear the surrounding area get into the objective and aim where you know the enemy is coming from due to them having to respawn in a particular place.
This is a mix of both 'run and gun' and 'camping' in order to achieve 1. the objective and 2. your scorestreaks in order to help the team.
If you sit in one place doing little to help the team and just get kills for yourself, your a noob. SIMPLE.
If you run into the middle of the map all guns blazing killing a couple of guys and then getting killed, your a noob. SIMPLE.
Use both styles effectively and you will see your stats rise steadily
I´ve answered you a few minutes ago - now I want to explain why your point of view is false all the way!
So, Noob, please stop complaining about "rushers" - they are the only ones who feed the campers! And they are also the only ones in the game who need real skill to succeed!
My opinion is: TreyArch did well in "reducing" camping...until it´s a team camping all match long...
From all the post i have read, seems like campers don't really complain about rushers, but all rushers do is complain about campers. A smart player should use both tactics throughout a game to be successfull. People need to stop whining all together. The worst is when u have a V-SAT up and you know where everyone is so you can see them about to rush right towards you so hang back wait for them to round the corner and kill them, then they call you a camper lol. I knew where you were, its being smart.
That´s not my definition of "camping" - that´s "smart" playing even as a rusher!
I would never call someone a camper if he´s only staying there for a fiew seconds because he´s reloading his weapon or just knows you´re approaching...
I also know: Most people shouting "camper" do not have an idea what they are talking about...
Yeah most people have no clue what's going down on your end, whether you are reloading, waiting for a care package, to them you killed them and are a camper lol. The other night on slums took a dude out with a sniper who was spawn trapping by the police car, got called a camper, moved up got him again at the police car, this time with a shotty... called a camper. Really. People need to stop there whining and just play however they want. If you die, you die don't blame everyone else. SH#T happens deal with it.
There is no shortage of camping going on in BO2. I see it in every game that I play. What is different as you've mentioned is that you are very likely to get shot in the back while camping. Some blame the spawns but the real problem is that people are not as focused on map control as they were in previous titles. It seems that everybody is spread out all across the maps and as such spawns are occurring everywhere. I can remember playing KC in MW3 where the spawns were constantly flipping but the difference is that one team would hold down a power position between the two major spawns and runners would flush the enemy out of thier spawn and cause the spawn to flip in an organized fashion. So if you were camping you bascially would know when to turn around. In BO2 it seems that the majority of the community has forgotten everything that they ever knew about map control and just go everywhere all the time. This makes things very dicey for the camper and forces them into a more patroling camper routine rather than the hold up in one hard to reach spot style. This requires an adjustment that has to be made for campers to be successful just as rushers had to learn how to deal with the 200 headglitch spots in every map. The way I see it is that we asked to be challenged and they challenged all of us. Change often is uncomfortable but it allows us to grow. I remember when MW3 came out how everyone was complaining about how fast paced it was compared to BO1 and now we are complaining that BO2 is so fast paced compared to MW3. There's nothing wrong with preferring the slower paced game. But there is something positive to be gained by honing your skills to be successful in a higher paced game that only makes you that much better at the games that you prefer.
Dude I have NO idea what game you're playing because Camping is still pretty strong. Heck I play mostly ground war because most maps that aren't hijacked, express, or nuketown are just campers ikn TDM, KC, or DOM. Camping is till huge even after they've done so much to remove it.
And Sniping,,,, what?!!! I rarely see the SVU but yes it's used as a battle rifle as much as it is a sniper rifle but that's what is was designed for. Most Sniper rifles I see used are the Ballista and DSR.... Sniping is NOT dead, if Ghost in BO1 was like Ghost in BO2 then in BO1 sniping would be dead, there were so many open spots in the mid-size and large BO1 Maps. But in BO2 there are so many sight lines that there are many spots you can pick...
Here the real major problem is LAG, LAG, LAG, camping is still ever present