Well I've noticed a lot of members on this forum talking about the Target Finder and how much they hate it. I've also noticed what a lot of members describe when describing someone using the Target Finder.
It usually goes something like this:
"Normally its people sitting at the back of the map camping"
"Usually its some guy sitting in corner ADS camping"
"Usually some guy using an LMG camping"
My question to you all is....
Why would a camper use the Target Finder?
It makes no logical sense unless playing at ranged combat in which they aren't really a camper. When I say ranged combat. I mean like on Drone where you are looking from one end of the map to the other or from one end to the middle.Same with turbine.
So yeah it doesn't make sense. Here's how....
Normally a player will run by the camper or enter the campers general location. In which chances are, he'd already see you. For example say I'm running into the stone block area in raid and a guy is lying in the dirt near the room where you can climb into the window. Chances are he's already saw me as I've ran down into the area.
I don't honestly think the TF was designed to be used by campers because really it can detect people hiding in corners and dark areas that you'd otherwise miss. It makes no logical sense to use it when camping because you are in one area, not moving and the enemy come to you, like I said it makes no logical sense. Most of the time the camper will see you enter their area and be able to kill you. Not because you've got a red diamond around your name.
I've actually found the TF to be more useful in a mobile class to spot people in windows or in dark areas. The TF isn't really designed to be continually successful with a non mobile class.
Plus you could always use cold blooded
p.s I'm not against camping or anything like that as I support the right to play anyway you wish as long as it doesn't break the games TOS. I'm merely describing how the CoD community react to such a small problem. It actually makes me laugh
The irony about it is:
1 - if anyone sees you stop for anything, you are camping
2 - In previous CODs, when you sat in a choke point and took out half the team with an LMG, it was considered smart play. Slap on a TF, and you are a camper
3 - The TF (as well as the DB) is an excellent tool for FINDING campers
4 - If you see someone, regardless if you were running or camping, and you start to shoot that person even BEFORE ADSING and you so happen to have a TF on your gun, you are a camping noob (which makes no sense because you saw them without it)
Bottom line, if you get killed by someone who was using a TF who would not have seen you otherwise... you were likely camping yourself.
Not always true... but just saying
I understand why you use it because you have bad eyes but is it really that hard for people with good vision to see across teh map? I am legally blind and wear ridiculous contact lenses but they still don't give me 20/20 vision yet I can still kill people from the bottom room of teh fruit stand on Yemen to the long streeet where you can sit in the window on th erocks or on the street, and I do it with Iron Sights or a red dot.
Why would a camper use the Target Finder?
Personally, I could care less what anyone uses on their weapon, this is how I see it. If I cannot out manuever you (the enemy) through my own actions than I was outplayed
Most times a tF user kills me they probably would have gotten me with anything else but it's because they're sitting in a corner ADS'ing, I just hate being killed by something that takes no skill, ie, HK, ADS with TF in a corner, QS'ing etc.
I understand what you are saying here... however is the issue that they were using a TF in a corner... or simply in a corner.
You are a mover. Therefore someone, using a TF or not sitting in corner, would bother you. Fair, the TF makes it a worse pill to swallow, but the reality is... the TF does not auto-aim for someone. Someone ADSing on you still has to aim: the TF let's one know someone is there that may not have seen you otherwise, but the player still has to pull the trigger on a moving target.
Do I use it? Yep... everyone knows that. Do I use it on all my classes? Good lord no! I find the laser sight and ext mags way more useful to my play style (and I am currently trying to complete the noob tube challenges and it works well in DOM... I am such a jerk!). But like you, I hate (HATE!) walking around doing the best I can to scan areas only to get shot from half way across the map from (what looked like to me) a rock or a tree.
So when I am running and gunning: I do not use the TF (typically)
When I am playing game modes I hate (like TDM) or on maps I cannot see squat (like Carrier) and wish to use an AR... yeah I will use it.
(loving the zoom on LMGs... thanks for that tip)
If someone were to ask me: "Do I honestly think it was a good or bad addition to the game?"
I would say bad. it is a crutch, there is no denying that. As well, I would not say it has made my game any better. But on some maps, it is either that, or backing out/not play at all (I would never play against corner campers in a TDM match on Carrier... not complaining about camping... it is just I would seriously not be able to do anything: like right now I have temporarily lost the use of one of my eyes, and the other has poor vision)
Message was edited by: rlbl
I understand you wanting to use it on TDM carrier, I don't play TDM that much so I don't know the camp spots, but in DOM there are the usual camp spots, so I'll either use a sniper, AR, or LMG with DB or Zoom. If you have teh A spawn they'll be camping on the ramp, if you have the C spawn they'll be camping near the B flag, so for me it's a nice flanking map. I honestly don't get killed by campers that aren't in the usual spots that much on Carrier, and if I lose a gunfight to a camper in the usual spot, it's because I got outshot.
I have to admit, any kill cams I have seen with a TF lately have all been attached to an LMG. However, I cannot say they were "Camping" most seem to have been moving around the map at some point, they were never static like at a Spawn Kill point of hidden in a corner.
I usually only play HC TDM or HC KC so cannot comment on objective games.
Treyarch has laid out how they want people to play this game. hence league play. They want you to use a TF with claymore/bouncing betty/shock charge while you head glitch a box/window/corner etc. moving adaptively slow paced so milliseconds of lag don't appear. If you're rushing you're misplaying the game.