30 Replies Latest reply: Aug 10, 2012 1:19 PM by creepingxdeth90 RSS

Are pump actions bad or do I just have to get used to them?

I feel like I have to be ridiculously perfect with my shot to get kills with the KSG, like dead center mass to even get a hit marker, but even then sometimes when I'm dead center mass I get the hit marker.  And thats fine if its head on, but when someone is strafing I feel I have no shot at all.  And if I get a hit marker dead center close, I am DEAD to these SMGs.

 

Do I just need to get used to them, any tips? 

  • Re: Are pump actions bad or do I just have to get used to them?

    if you are gonna use the KSG play HC until you can get range/damage.

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    Wolf_Odinson

    You just have to get used to 'em. Of course, I love the scatterguns; the KSG is my favorite, so maybe I'm a little biased when I say that.

     

    For me, the hard part at first was altering my playstyle to account for the cycle time of the pump action. Well, that and finding out - by virtue of getting killed a helluva lot - which maps cater to it's abilities. For example, I won't use it on Seatown because it's a smaller/tighter map where opponents tend to come in closer proximity to one another, which doesn't allow enough time for the pump action; thus: kill #1, get killed by #2.

     

    From my own personal experience, the maps I do the best on with the KSG are: Oasis, Piazza, Liberation, Underground, Lockdown and, believe it or not, Dome (?!)

     

    Just keep at it, and you'll be hooked.

     

    A suggestion in the way of perks if I may - SOH pro / assasin pro / dead silence pro

     

    Oh, btw (in case you didn't already know) - right outta the box, the KSG has the highest damage rating of all the shotguns, so I myself opt for range.

     

    Keep your powder dry,

    Wolf

  • Re: Are pump actions bad or do I just have to get used to them?

    Don't worry, I feel the exact same way. I'm good with any good except for a damn shotgun. I just can't do it. I'm sure if you practiced with them more you would get good at em. Then again, I suggest that you don't, because pretty much everyone hates shotgunners (unless they are one of course). I would say play Hardcore Mode for a while, because it take a lot less damage to kill someone there. You can get good with using shotguns pretty quick by playing those modes!

  • Re: Are pump actions bad or do I just have to get used to them?
    trialstardragon

    Not really bad but there are a few others here that will say contrary and think they need to be buffed to made as they call it more consistent; but as I call it easier for them to use.

     

    Takes time to learn at what ranges they really work well at and how much you can be off to hit and kill with them. It is very dependant upon your connection too.  I get hit markers now and then with them but usually only when lagging really bad, or just too far out for what the guns really are meant to do.

     

    Though some here think the shotguns should have a greater range than what they currently do; but I disagree with that and always have and always will. Not because I hate shotguns but becuase of what shotguns are meant to be used for.

     

    I never get hitmarkers at point blank range unless they have a BV on or I am extremely laggy, which at that point I just change classes to a smg or short range ar.

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    WKMMS

    Use steady aim and just hip fire... that usually does the trick with all of the shotties.  If you play on high sensitivity then you can lower it down a bit and that will help if you are struggling to get your reticle accurately over centre mass.  The trouble with the Spaz, KSG and Model is that, being OHK weapons with slow fire rate, you are very much more at the mercy of the connection.  If you are in any way on the bad end of lag comp, you will struggle. 

     

    The other thing is, only use shotguns on maps that it's easier to control the range you will engage at. I find that maps like Arkaden, Seatown, Underground, Lockdown, and Carbon all have plenty of easy routes that will keep you out of the long sight lines and help you stay at the range where you're going to be most effective. 

  • Re: Are pump actions bad or do I just have to get used to them?

    danasty82 wrote:

     

    I feel like I have to be ridiculously perfect with my shot to get kills with the KSG, like dead center mass to even get a hit marker, but even then sometimes when I'm dead center mass I get the hit marker.  And thats fine if its head on, but when someone is strafing I feel I have no shot at all.  And if I get a hit marker dead center close, I am DEAD to these SMGs.

     

    Do I just need to get used to them, any tips? 

     

    Before the buff, the pumps were terrible.  Especially the KSG and Models.  Now the KSG is actually useable.  But the Striker seems to still be the most overused at this time since kids like to spam it because they are afraid they might suck with the Pumps. 

     

    But my advice is Specialist Killstreaks on your shotgun class.  I run the KSG+Grip with Focus(since I haven't gotten Damage yet) and my perks are SOH, Hardline, DS.  You can mix and match what your three Specialist perks are but I usually go with Assassin first, then whatever two after that(I always switch to see how my game plays out). 

     

    In terms of gameplay. You want to be sneaky, but not campy.  No one likes a shotgun camper.  Stick to walls and check your corners.  What's fun is if you are playing FFA, I carry around flash grenades and sneak up on a guy, flash him real good, then shoot him in the back of the head.  The thing with the pumps is that they are real inconsistant when you don't want them to be. You will get hitmarkers when you are aiming center mass. I usually blame that on the Lag positioning.   But you want to be as close as possible to ensure you will get the OHK.  Use a "don't shoot till you see the whites of their eyes" mentality.  Also, never ADS. It doesn't help to aim down the sights with the shotties.  Just hip fire. 

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    electricfuneralfire

    There decent once you get used to them. I mean i love them personally but I know they have some faults. Very hard to use at first, thats why most dont stick with them. I have been using the AK and CM lately and I switched back to the Model and its almost like having to learn it al lover.

     

    Theres really more to it than just learning the parts of the map to stick to and adjusting to the range. You also have to learn how to place those shots just right.

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    You have to outplay someone to kill them, you get maybe 1 kill a match where they should have killed you but you got lucky. I'm going to say that for what they are, they suck. If you want to do good with a strong shot shotgun use the USAS, it's got better stats than the SPAS and Model up close, it just doesn't have the range of either, and it fires 2.5 x faster so you know if you miss it's no big deal.

    Trialstar is right though you have to play to it's strengths. That means less than 12m engagements. (damage model with steady aim is a whole other story though, if you have them dead on anywhere in shootable range take the shot.) Don't be an ******* and camp, do abuse the crap outta assassin and flank.

    Avoid hardcore, if some automatics are better shotguns than the pump actions in core, in hc every automatic is a better shotgun, 1 shot kills up close decimate the poor guy trying to use the least versatile gun in the game, whose only reason for being used is a 1 shot kill. Just say no to hardcore.

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      trialstardragon

      Nah, HC is where to use them even more. the pumps are easy as pie to use in hc, where even at ranges beyond max damage they kill in one with just a glancing shot if lucky that enough pellets land, dead on and they kill in one every time unless the player has a bv on.

       

      What makes them hard to get used to is the random pellets so you can not count on the same number landing every time while shooting the same way. So you have to adjust your shooting to the gun and its quirky nature and each is different in how they work regardless of what the in game stats say.

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    All of the shotguns are bad until you get them up to Range and Damage to be honest...

     

    Once you get Damage on them, they are usable but out of all the gun types the pump action shotties are probably the hardest Primary to do well with...

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    I cannot tell you how crucial being a hard target is. The absolute best thing you can do is duck behind cover between shots. If there is no cover, any combination of jumping, strafing, and dropping might just help you get off that second shot.

     

    Use the ADS wisely. It can be useful for the aim assist on running targets. Generally though you'll want to hipfire. It takes practice, but eventually you learn where to hold your aim when moving around corners etc. You have to be way more diligent than when using an SMG or AR.

     

    I heard HC as a suggestion which works if you like hardcore, but try out drop zone. There are so many dweebscopers there and shotgunners have the advantage on them because they don't have to ADS (as long as you have a fair internet connection :s)

  • Re: Are pump actions bad or do I just have to get used to them?
    creepingxdeth90

    Using shotguns is probably the most frustrating thing for me in Call of Duty. The consistency is just... well, not there. Just yesterday I was using the KSG and at times I would drop a guy from 20 ft in one shot, other times I would hit one dead center from 5 ft and get a hit marker.

     

    The pump actions are very, very unforgiving in this game which wouldn't be so bad if everybody you played against wasn't using ACR/MP7, etc. Made even worse when you look at the USAS-12. In my opinion it was just as good last night from range as the KSG and if you miss that second shot is right there for you. That's one thing that has bugged me so much in CoD's in the past, just a total lack of balance. You would expect that in return for firing slower that pump actions would get a wider spread and higher damage and that just isn't the case. I also do not understand why they didn't give a rapid fire perk to shotguns like they did every other gun.

     

    In my honest opinion shotguns aren't up to balance with SMGs/ARs and hell, even some secondaries. It's really a bummer because I enjoy using every primary in the game(except the riot shield.. that's not happening lol)

     

    Take some of these guys' advice and it will definitely help. You do need to alter your playstyle a bit and it will help a lot with you unlock damage/range. Good luck!

  • Re: Are pump actions bad or do I just have to get used to them?

    You just have to get used to it.

     

    Then you can piss of enemy's like This:)

     

    http://youtu.be/su-k7zPvSXg

     

    For those who didn't/couldn't watch cause it wasn't embedded(site wont allow me for some reason-.-) its 30 second dome clip of me using the model getting a ten killstreak with only one shots and going 77-19.

  • Re: Are pump actions bad or do I just have to get used to them?

    Using the KSG and the SPAS only, even though the Model 1887 is my fav shotgun, the one thing I've noticed is that my secondary weap ability has increased! Gotta love the irony...

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    nuttin2say

    Holy moly! A rational discussion on shotguns!!!

     

    From my experience using the KSG, the Spas, and the USAS ... shotguns are just not going to work on every map. You might find some L33T guys that do well with them regardless of the map, but those are the exception, not the rule.

     

    As for custom class, figure out what is most comfortable to you and run with that.

     

    Make sure your shot is center of mass. If not, yeah, you'll get ticked off. As someone noted, learn to dance!

     

    I like to take a shot then duck for cover while I cycle another round. This can be hard to do in more intense firefights, but it sure gets the blood pumping and is when the action gets really fun.

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    I love the KSG and right enough its quite difficult to get used to, especially without damage/range. I started to use the KSG and managed to get used to it and i found that the grip on it is useless and the only useful attachment is extended mags. I also found if your running extended mags you dont need sleight of hand because the KSG has a ridiculously large clip with extended mags so i use extreme conditioning to help you in rushing/flanking. So in my oppinion this is the best class for KSG.

     

    Proficiency: Range (KSG has high damage anyway)

    Attachment: Extended mags

    Perk 1: Extreme conditioning

    Perk 2: Assassin

    Perk 3: Steady Aim/Dead silence (depending on your play style and what you preffer)

    Lethal: Throwing knife

    Tactical: Whatever you think will help.

     

    I also run specialist to get those other very useful perks. Hope this helps.

    • Re: Are pump actions bad or do I just have to get used to them?

      Why would you use grip on a pump action. Doesn'/t the action just resets it anyways?

      • Re: Are pump actions bad or do I just have to get used to them?
        creepingxdeth90

        Just finished using the 1887 for about 300 kills over the past two days. All I can say is, I'm not sure how anyone could enjoy using it. I think I have a pretty solid accuracy(75%) with it yet all I get is hit markers. When competing against people who are using almost exclusively AR's/MP7, getting hit markers on the first shot is just a losing situation.

         

        Then I began to think a little more on it and I wonder if lag compensation effects shotguns more-so than any other weapon. I never really had issues with shotguns in any previous CoD title, but the pump actions in this game have been probably the least fun I've ever had using weapons in my years of playing CoD. Maybe shots that I can see are dead center for me are really just scratching them on their screen. This would explain why some people swear by shotguns and others don't.

         

        Then again, to counter that arguement I was getting far more 1 shot kills from equal range using the USAS. In my mind that means the USAS is better in every single category and can shoot much faster.

         

        P.S. I didn't get a chance to unlock damage for the shotguns because I didn't use them long enough, I'll have to report back later when I do(just about done with prestiging, 1 more to go! lol)

        • Re: Are pump actions bad or do I just have to get used to them?

          Damage is second to Range, unless you're a beast at attacking without drawing attention to yourself, then use Damage, pretty much one shot kills always...

          Range helps a lot more, though, in general gameplay because there are times when you get surprised and you've got to react from unsafe distances. And Range with a silencer does help, but most people don't suppress their shotty. Someone also asked why use a Grip on the pumps. I think it's supposed to help accuracy. But, yeah; in theory it doesn't make sense to use a Grip because the gun returns to center anyway after you cycle it, because it's pump-action.

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    supervelous

    I also have a tough time with the pump actions.  They are inconsistent.  Why use a SPAS or a Model or a KSG, when if you get a hitmarker alot of times you are dead. 

     

    If you use a USAS or a Striker, you can still get 1 shot kills sometimes, but even when you don't you can fire again instantly, and if you hit them with multiple shots the flinch effect will make them almost defenseless to return fire a lot of times.

     

    The pump actions need to be more forgiving, and if you hit dead center or even just to the left or right it should kill 100% of the time. 

     

    Barring that, make the pump action shotgun flinch more pronounced than any other flinch, let it knock you back a bit and stun you for a second, the time it takes to have a second shot always is what gets me killed, and on killcam I can see my "hit" didn't effect them that much.

    • Re: Are pump actions bad or do I just have to get used to them?
      creepingxdeth90

      Higher damage, longer range, maybe even a "slug" attachment for pumps? I've said this before but the whole idea of balance is that a weapon has advantages in different areas. You would assume that because they fire faster that the USAS and Striker have much lower damages than the pump actions but you would be incorrect in your assumption. They just didn't do a great job balancing shottys which kind of sucks.

       

      In many ways pump actions have become a very skill heavy weapon. Which is ironic because throughout gaming history(to my knowledge) shotguns have been the go to general purpose destruction weapons from close range.

       

      I don't think the USAS or Striker need to be debuffed. In fact I think they are very on par with other primaries and much closer to balanced. The pump actions still need quite a bit of work. Unfortunately with BO2 a few months away we probably won't see that. Just more improvements to guns that didn't need them as much(okay, the M16 wasn't that great but I could do a hell of a lot better with it than I can any shotgun.)