34 Replies Latest reply: Aug 24, 2013 8:48 AM by Megadog14 RSS

No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.

SoMCJoker

3ARC???

 

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Call-of-Duty-Black-Ops-2-EXCLUSIVE-Ghost-Camo-DLC-Code -Xbox-360-PS3-/321186182996?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ac8303754#ht_649wt_1 255

 

Many people have been complaining that their Ghost Camo Codes aren't working, i believe this is the reason. Legit codes are being sold off cheap, and nothings being done about it, Nothing.

 

Many people didn't believe that you could buy the code for a small price from online retailers, so i have provided a direct link to the page in question. THIS IS NOT THE ONLY SELLER. There are multiple online stores and retailers marketing this product and i truly believe that this is 100% WRONG.

 


Us, the fans fork out from £45-£200 for COD games, their primary DLC (Maps/Season pass) & now the micro-DLC, just to have people come along and get these "exclusives" for minimal price, give it time, i bet you'll be seeing Free-Fall available for purchase - BEFORE RELEASE!!!!

 

 

Please, 3arc/IW/Activision do something about this, it's not fair on the people that are willing to buy/pre-order your reskinned, freshly fragranced peices of crud, for the ACTUAL retail price, At least give us something for our money, and not rip us of *cough* nuketown *cough*.

 

 

 

Hopefully we can get something done about this.

 

Anyone have any thoughts?

  • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
    gdexter

    You can flag the sale with eBay - my understanding is that the code is not to be resold for any monetary value.

     

    Also reporting to Treyarch direct is a good idea

  • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
    deamonomic

    question, what do you expect them to do about it? summon the lawyers and hunt everyone doing this down?

    • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
      SnoSurfer

      If a term of service has been set that the code should not be resold for any monetary value then it has become someone's responsibility to police that.

      • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
        starbuckfrack

        They cant get banned for breeaking the Terms of Use if the seller doesnt post his gamertag.

        • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
          BuX

          Isn't that a personal matter now? Gamertag shouldn't matter of they get the person.  The individual broke the terms, not the gamertag.

          • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
            starbuckfrack

            Well if you arent using Xbox Live then you arent breaking the Terms of Xbox Live. This just happens to be a seller on ebay using fake XBL codes. He could be selling a lot of other things that are fake too, but in this case he is selling codes.

             

            Xbox Live doesnt have Terms that extend out to the real world. But he is doing something that could be criminal. They just cant ban him for it. Most they can do is get lawyers to cease and desist.

             

            But it is crazy that the OP brought up a case on Ebay when his problem isnt with Ebay. The OP problems with the codes being used has nothing to do with Ebay. Perhaps a freind stole his codes and used them. Thats like showing a faulty ATM and saying that is the reason people rob banks.

      • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
        starbuckfrack

        SnoSurfer wrote:

         

        If a term of service has been set that the code should not be resold for any monetary value then it has become someone's responsibility to police that.

        In this case above the responsibility is Ebays. Activision doesnt own Ebay and is under no obligation to police them.

         

        So if someone is standing on the street corner selling copies of the new Superman movie then should the studio hire thousands of cops to roam the streets ?

         

        The Terms of Service do not come into play in the real world . The guy selling those might not even own an Xbox.

         

        As far as we know he doesnt even have codes to sell. He is most likely pasting the same code he already used in every single email he sends out. He may not even email the codeat all, he could be just emailing people saying "thanks for the 10 bucks". Some guy pretending to sell a joint isnt breaking any laws if he doesnt have pot on him.

    • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
      SoMCJoker

      There must be a way to link entitlement to the camo and proof of pre-order, therefore enabling the camo entitlement to be removed along with the copy of COD:Ghosts that they have pre-ordered.

       

      To be honest i'm no computer genius & I'm no games developer but as Snosurfer said below me, Someone has to police said rules if they have been put in place. Lack of policing shows us how much they care about the people that spend their hard earned cash for exclusives, that turn out not to be exclusive at all.

  • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
    starbuckfrack

    Activision cannot do anything if people are too ignorant when spending their money. Its is up to YOU the buyer to beware when making purchases like that.

     

    Did you ever hear the term buyer beware ?

     

    did you ever read the Ebay Terms that also warn you of this ?

     

    If in the case this was a violation anyway. Its not an Activision violation but it is a Xbox Live Marketplace violation.

     

    Actually if you really get down to it. It is an EBAY violation. you cannot sell anything on Ebay like that product that is emailed to you.

     

    http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/downloadable.html

     

    for example

     

    "I will send this eBook by postal mail. Sending it by email or by any other digital delivery method is not allowed and violates eBay policy."

     

    for example the case listed above. Its an obvious scam set up by a new seller who is shilling starred reviews to his own account with OTHER accounts that are very likely his too.

     

    http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/buy/safe-trading.html

     

    heres one of the key points on that page....

     

    "Confirm the authenticity of the item."

    • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
      SoMCJoker

      What? I am fully aware of what purchases i am making, as i have the advertisments and marketing shoved in my face most of the day. Advertisments that advertise exclusives to people willing to pay for them. I am willing. Why should the people that aren't willing, get the same things as we get?

       

      Now this is what got me from your post - Buyer beware. People are paying money to get the exclusive ghost camo, but the codes are being bought by 'fraudsters' (for lack of a better word) for a minimal price and with no pre-order. Buyer beware? Are you telling me i should be aware of what activision is selling me, because someone else may have used the code that is being advertised to me. That's false advertising, and false advertising is illegal.

       

       

      How you can say that when Activision, one of the biggest game companies, has a level of expectation that they should be meeting, but they simply are not?

      • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
        starbuckfrack

        SoMCJoker wrote:

         

        What? I am fully aware of what purchases i am making, as i have the advertisments and marketing shoved in my face most of the day. Advertisments that advertise exclusives to people willing to pay for them. I am willing. Why should the people that aren't willing, get the same things as we get?

         

        Now this is what got me from your post - Buyer beware. People are paying money to get the exclusive ghost camo, but the codes are being bought by 'fraudsters' (for lack of a better word) for a minimal price and with no pre-order. Buyer beware? Are you telling me i should be aware of what activision is selling me, because someone else may have used the code that is being advertised to me. That's false advertising, and false advertising is illegal.

         

         

        How you can say that when Activision, one of the biggest game companies, has a level of expectation that they should be meeting, but they simply are not?

        This is an EBAY problem and not an Activision problem. Activision is not violating any policies on that page.

         

        Activision has NOTHING to do with that seller.

         

        Activision is not selling you that code on that page listing a FRAUD is selling you that fake code on Ebay.

         

        But if you bought the code off of Ebay that is the problem between you and the seller, not Activision. If you bought the code from amazon then that is between you and the seller on Amazon.

         

        Activision didnt sell you the code. THE SELLER sold you the code.

  • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
    SoMCJoker

    Frankly, i would love an explanation from 3ARC regarding this issue, If it is false advertising, that's a very serious issue that needs to be addressed, even if it is an unsatisfactory explanation, any input's better than no input.

    • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
      starbuckfrack

      I dont get it. what is false advertising ? Did you buy a code that didnt work ?

       

      if so then where did you buy it from ?

      • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
        Firesens

        He's pissed he got ripped off for 40$ on ebay after trying to buy a ghost camo code, that he could have got for free by just pre-ordering the game off of amazon or at a gamestop.

        • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
          SoMCJoker

          I pre-ordered thanks, but others also pre-ordered but there codes turn out to be used, explain that if you want to have a decent input in this discussion.

          • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
            starbuckfrack

            Say for example you ordered it from amazon. then in that case you need to contact Amazon to find out why your code didnt work.

             

            Amazon might email you a new code in that case.

             

            I had that issue years ago with Saint Row 3 and they sent me a new code.

            • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
              SoMCJoker

              Not good enough. Even though it's happening, we'll just ignore it and hand out new codes. What company thinks like that? EVERY problem must be sorted for any company to develop, fact. Who knows what else are these guys getting away with?

               

              I'm assuming you aren't an official of any kind, because that kind of attitude gets you absolutely no-where in the business world my friend.

              • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
                starbuckfrack

                So you want the world to work perfect ? Speak to God.

                 

                Actually I get real far in life because I see the whole picture.

                 

                And in this case you are barking up the wrong tree. The codes are generated by the seller with a code generator when they are emailed to you. unless they are codes given out in the box.

                 

                the problem is the way the SELLER is handing out the codes.

                 

                Contrary to your belief Neither Activision , IW or Treyarch is selling the game to you. It is sold to the seller who then sells it to you.

                 

                As I said before Amazons code generator OR the way they were handling it got their wires crossed . so they fessed up and handed out new codes.

                 

                I am trying to save you the trouble because if you were to contact Activision about this they will turn a blind eye and tell you to talk to the seller. You want to waste time running in circles then fine with me.

        • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
          starbuckfrack

          Firesens wrote:

           

          He's pissed he got ripped off for 40$ on ebay after trying to buy a ghost camo code, that he could have got for free by just pre-ordering the game off of amazon or at a gamestop.

          If thats true then as I said Buyer Beware. If thats the case that is the seller having false advertising and he will need to take it up with Ebay.

           

          If that were the case he could leave a review saying "rip off seller . beware" and give the seller a negative star thereby stopping the seller in his tracks. a new seller like that on Ebay will be blocked from selling on Ebay with a 13 and 1 star ratio.

           

          and trust me the seller WILL get blocked from selling immediately. I used to work for the help desk.

           

          if that were the case there is no false advertising on Activisions part.

      • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
        SoMCJoker

        The fact that 3ARC and IW are giving out codes that are already used, possibly due to the reason i originally posted. This is a situation that needs sorting.

         

         

        Why is everybody so quick to defend the companies, we NEED to get things like this sorted so that the company can expand and develop, what don't you understand about that? Problems need fixing, and if they fix it or at least try and implement counter-measures to it, they show willingness to the people that pay, sometimes extortionate amounts for their games and DLC.

  • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
    eRr0R_6_

    yeah I have a thought,... why would you buy a ghost camo when your playing bo2? in 3 months that camp is toasta nyway, when everyone else is actually playing ghosts

  • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
    SoMCJoker

    WOW. It seems like this escalated quickly while i was away lol. MODS -  If you are going to do anything please don't delete/block my entire post, One mans antics are not my fault.

     

     

    Anyway, thanks for agreeing Tbone - it just seems people are too arrogant to want to do anything about this, Starbuck for example; You say it's Games/other retailers fault that people aren't getting their codes, Who provides them these codes, and whose responsibility is it to make sure these codes are legitimate and eligible for use? I'm gonna hazard a guess and say either 3ARC/IW/Activision. I don't mean to get personal and call you arrogant, my means is not to insult, but you have proved my accusation by insistently replying to things i have either explained before or by not listening at all, I got my code for example yet you still seem to want to have an argument to back you up, so you will use my experience as your only source. Just listen to me man. This is a serious problem that needs sorting, if i am correct obviously, but i don't see anyone else trying to fix this and i don't see any Devs clarifying what is exactly happening with these codes, Think to what i said before about who knows what they're going to do next? NO-ONE, these people could get away with murder but you and others would still back 3arc and their lack of punishment to the death, why?!?!?!

     

     

    I apologise for any spelling/grammar/paragraphing mistakes, i've been out and can't quite tell if i'm pushing the wrong buttons or not lol.

    • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
      starbuckfrack

      SoMCJoker wrote:

       

      WOW. It seems like this escalated quickly while i was away lol. MODS -  If you are going to do anything please don't delete/block my entire post, One mans antics are not my fault.

       

       

      Anyway, thanks for agreeing Tbone - it just seems people are too arrogant to want to do anything about this, Starbuck for example; You say it's Games/other retailers fault that people aren't getting their codes, Who provides them these codes, and whose responsibility is it to make sure these codes are legitimate and eligible for use? I'm gonna hazard a guess and say either 3ARC/IW/Activision. I don't mean to get personal and call you arrogant, my means is not to insult, but you have proved my accusation by insistently replying to things i have either explained before or by not listening at all, I got my code for example yet you still seem to want to have an argument to back you up, so you will use my experience as your only source. Just listen to me man. This is a serious problem that needs sorting, if i am correct obviously, but i don't see anyone else trying to fix this and i don't see any Devs clarifying what is exactly happening with these codes, Think to what i said before about who knows what they're going to do next? NO-ONE, these people could get away with murder but you and others would still back 3arc and their lack of punishment to the death, why?!?!?!

       

       

      I apologise for any spelling/grammar/paragraphing mistakes, i've been out and can't quite tell if i'm pushing the wrong buttons or not lol.

      understand where you have an issue and I feel for you but you dont seem to understand.

       

      Bringing up the seller on Ebay has nothing to do with your case that is a different animal. If some seller were selling pirate copies of Superman on a street corner would the company that made the movie be responsible for hiring thousands of cops to patrol the streets ? But as I said that is a different animal.

       

      Activision does not give out these codes. If anyone were to give out these codes it is Microsoft. THEY run the Xbox Live Marketplace. THEY write the code for the code generators to work. But they did not hand you the codes either.

       

      The fact that you have an issue with GAME (capped for clarity) means nothing to Acivision or to Microsoft. They are not the ones that gave out duplicate codes. Microsoft will not help you and neither will Activision.

       

      It just isnt Activisions job. Someone at GAME is not doing their job.

       

      Its not the developers fault because they are responsible for the game. They are not responsible for marketing the DLC for the game.

       

      sorry that GAME gave you a used code. But someone at GAME screwed up not Activision.

       

      Activision and Microsoft did not sell you the game or offer you the promotion. GAME offered the promotion and failed in getting you what you deserved. And that is IF someone didnt steal the code from you.

       

      Activision distributed / sold the game to the seller GAME. GAME then became the seller. GAME is the operator of the keygen that made the game key. If Anyone else were at fault like for example duplicate keys from the keygen it would be Microsoft since they run the Marketplace and created the keygen.

       

      As I said I understand where you are coming from but you are barking up the wrong tree.

       

      so when you called Activision what did they tell you ? They even tell you on their support page that you need to deal with the SELLER in this case.

       

      I am sorry you dont agree with me but facts are facts. Corporate Policy is not made by me, I dont even work for them. If you want I could post something like "Those bastards" but Activision did not drop the ball on this one. It isnt a perfect world and people make mistakes.

  • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
    starbuckfrack

    PS Good thing that flame war didnt lock the thread

  • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
    SoMCJoker

    @Starbuck:

     

    Yeah haha, i'm certainly happy about that, not too happy about certain other posts being deleted but hey, a mods decision is a mods decision, who am i to question authoritahh? LOL, secrets are secrets and all that ey 3arc?


    As to your other posts, i understand exactly what you are saying, but as someone mentioned earlier (Snosufer i think? i'm not looking, you can jog on if you think i'm scrolling all the way back up there lol) If these rules are put into effect, then somebody has to responsible for the policing of said rules, and must be responsible for also dealing with the problem and implementing counter-measures. As I also previously stated, i am not a computer genius, i can make some cool stuff in Google Sketch-Up but that's about as far as my computer knowledge goes lol, therefore i have no idea how any counter could be enforced, but that's best left to the guys with experience who you would think would be able to introduce some kind of coding or programming to stop this. As i said i have no-idea, that's also why i would love a company official to put across their side and try and gain something back from their dissapointed fans.

     

     

    Again, apologies for any mistakes, you'll just have to bear with me at this current moment in time. My condition is slowly deteriorating.

    • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
      starbuckfrack

      I dont really worry about pewople typing etc, especially after a stroke. I also cant sleep and my wife will wake up in an hour and that will keep me up more

       

       

      But I think his statement was based on the EBAY portion of the first post which went like this...

       

       

      SnoSurfer wrote:

       

      If a term of service has been set that the code should not be resold for any monetary value then it has become someone's responsibility to police that.

      In this case above the responsibility is Ebays. Activision doesnt own Ebay and is under no obligation to police them.

       

      So if someone is standing on the street corner selling copies of the new Superman movie then should the studio hire thousands of cops to roam the streets ?

       

      The Terms of Service do not come into play in the real world . The guy selling those might not even own an Xbox.

       

      As far as we know he doesnt even have codes to sell. He is most likely pasting the same code he already used in every single email he sends out. He may not even email the codeat all, he could be just emailing people saying "thanks for the 10 bucks". Some guy pretending to sell a joint isnt breaking any laws if he doesnt have pot on him.

      • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
        SoMCJoker

        haha i'll be fine in the morning, been up nearly 24 hours straight now and i'm starting to feel it, this isn't helping with easing of the mind i can tell you that lol, anywho, That is indeed true sir! but WHAT IF? The codes being sold ARE the same codes that are being marketed with COD:Ghosts and it is in reality, a first come first serve basis on who gets the code. Doesn't that remotely strike you as a little odd? And to somebody with no forum access/knowledge of forums, and to somebody who has to dig thorugh pages of cack to find any DIRECT contact details, this could be a little upsetting, wouldn't you agree?


        On a side note, i know it probably doesn't matter, but i'm telling you anyway. I've gone full psycho and have brought the sportsbike into the house for some late night tuning and cleaning, The advantage of no neighbours lol, so i may take some time to reply as i'm also being shouted at for it, FUNTIMES!!!!!

      • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
        Bielsalmighty

        Nope, but should they get wind of the piracy factory thats supplying that guy they'll stomp it flat in a heartbeat. Same as Ebay should do with dodgy sellers. Why are we so surprised by this from a site which happily supports organised ticket touting? Theres a reason I refuse to have an Ebay account. They already rinse the living daylights out of music fans, why on earth would they treat gamers any differently? If Ebay can make money from it, they'll happily support/turn a blind eye to people, nay, CONSUMERS getting ripped off left right and centre.

  • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
    SoMCJoker

    GET THAT PHUCKING BIKE OUT OF THIS HOUSE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOOOLLOLOLOLOLO!!1!!!!!!!!!!

  • Re: No one believed this; Possible cause to many peoples problems.
    Megadog14

    I dont understand this... so are the people with faulty codes buying fake ones from people on Ebay, or are the people on Ebay somehow getting access to the code generator and using codes that are then given to people who pre-order?