35 Replies Latest reply: Apr 22, 2013 12:29 PM by Hopdevil96 RSS

Your router, connection and "game lag"

Hopdevil96

Been sitting back in the shadows and listening. Also have my own game issues. I am running a 6yr old Belkin G. All ports properly forwarded and NO DMZ. This has caused an end of game freeze at times if I pull host. One or the other but not both.  Yes, every time I have an unbearable 0-6 start to a game and back out. Host migration. Hmmm go figure.

Think of your connection as a garden hose. This game does NOT care if you have a 4" fire hose however it does care how far you have the spiggot open. And if you are turning it on and off.  If you are running wireless, well you might as well hang yourself now. If microsoft updates fires up, mom is watching utube or dad is watching uporn, you are screwed. And if you are host, so is the lobby. Ive had no issues browsing or streaming audio in the background though. Password your **** too. If a 4G phone sees your wireless, guess what?

 

Its the variables folks. I do NOT blame the devs for this technology. It levels the playing field. HOWEVER i do blame them for not educating us.

HEY, Ive got a good tip of the day "be aware of your surroundings before you decide to play this game online."

I am not an IT or a programmer. Just an old gammer. I would love any and all input on this.

  • Re: Your router, connection and "game lag"
    Scorr

    For starters, your connection must be just about adequate to host, meaning after you are picked as host, your connection's bandwidth is pretty much fully used up.

     

    You need a router with bandwidth functionalities, so you can cap your upload speed to around 15kbps, that way you will never pull host. I usually don't recommend changing your connection in any way, shape or form, but you are already ragequitting, so other players won't be affected by this much. Check to see if you can install a Linux based firmware onto your current router to be able to do this... Heck, put your hand in your pocket and buy a new one, it is six years after all.

     

    And your comment on 4G phones, uh... What?

     

    And also, you have no password on your wireless? That's pretty retarded. Post that in a forum where people have some idea what they are talking about, and you would probably get banned for trolling.

     

    Oh, by the way, I am using wireless, works fine. Look for guides to choose a channel not many people around you use, password it up, get a DMZ set up and you should be fine. QoS is useful too.

    • Re: Your router, connection and "game lag"
      Hopdevil96

       

      You need a router with bandwidth functionalities, so you can cap your upload speed to around 15kbps, that way you will never pull host. I usually don't recommend changing your connection in any way, shape or form, but you are already ragequitting, so other players won't be affected by this much. Check to see if you can install a Linux based firmware onto your current router to be able to do this...

      So introduce fake latency on my end? You dont recommend it but you will explain how to do it? Really?

      I also never stated that my wireless is not WEP encrypted.

      Also QoS made no difference at all.

      • Re: Your router, connection and "game lag"
        maccabi

        Hopdevil96 wrote:

         

         

        You need a router with bandwidth functionalities, so you can cap your upload speed to around 15kbps, that way you will never pull host. I usually don't recommend changing your connection in any way, shape or form, but you are already ragequitting, so other players won't be affected by this much. Check to see if you can install a Linux based firmware onto your current router to be able to do this...

        So introduce fake latency on my end? You dont recommend it but you will explain how to do it? Really?

        I also never stated that my wireless is not WEP encrypted.

        Also QoS made no difference at all.

        That's not introducing fake latency, doing that is both stupid and counter productive to anyone having issues. All lowering your upload BANDWIDTH would do is knock you out of the host selection process something (being host) alot of players have an issue with . Playing as a non host the game wont really top 0.04mb up or down so as long as you have set you upload above that you wont have issues playing normally but shouldn't get host

      • Re: Your router, connection and "game lag"
        Scorr

        You can always google any big words I use...

    • Re: Your router, connection and "game lag"
      jonjonjonjonjon

      according to activision you shouldn't use wireless. take that for whatever its worth because according to activision/treyarch there are also no lag issues in cod. in some games i'll drop shot someone and be completely laying on the ground and die. i watch the kill cam and what do you know i never did the drop shot and i'm just standing there like a chump getting shot. that just proves to me in some games you can be a good 2-3 seconds behind.

       

      http://support.activision.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/Lag-Occurs-in-Multiplayer-Game

       

      Make sure that you are playing the game over a wired Ethernet connection to your console. DO NOT USE A WIFI CONNECTION. This is a very important step, as WIFI has a wide variance in reliability and bandwidth. Online gaming require a consistent level of minimum bandwidth connection to maintain good connection quality. Because modern consoles come with integrated WIFI, it is easy for users to use that connection to play games. Make sure that you configure your console’s settings to use the wired Ethernet network instead of the integrated WIFI network.

  • Re: Your router, connection and "game lag"
    starbuckfrack

    Read posts made by Maccabi and you will get your answers.

     

    There have been hundreds of posts on this subject.

     

    If you are getting end of game freezes it is something about your router.

     

    Look up an Elagphant thread in the MW3 forums.

  • Re: Your router, connection and "game lag"
    playerone2

    only look up the elagphant thread. nothing else by maccabi. it has some info. thats one of the write ups i started with.

     

    no offence mr frack. but that guy is a mor, uh, not of much help. most of his posts are just him insulting people and talking about how the lag is either our falt, or a figment of our imagination.

     

    you wont get much help from these forums. i never did. it took me quite a while to find legit information. every once in a while someone will post a link (you need to read them all). i dont have any bookmarked. but im sure someone else does.

     

    Honestly from the looks of it, you probably wont get it. so just listen to whatever people tell you. and believe whatever makes you feel better about the gameplay.

     

    As far as the garden hose. Your right, i could hang myself with my garden hose. i dont use wifi though.

    The keyword you can google for that is latency.

     

    And with the 4g comment, i think hes talking about when his phone automatically connects to his wifi.

    • Re: Your router, connection and "game lag"
      maccabi

      playerone2 wrote:

       

       

      no offence mr frack. but that guy is a mor, uh, not of much help. most of his posts are just him insulting people and talking about how the lag is either our falt, or a figment of our imagination.

       

      you know that accusation gets thrown about alot on here, tell you what find scuttle off and find one instance where I have ever said that then come back to me .

  • Re: Your router, connection and "game lag"
    zingaa

    To be honest I've never read maccabi insulting anyone, mostly educate players or at least trys to help. In some cases (like myself) the suggestions didn't work as I suffer from unplayable lag in core, HC is fine, which is still confusing to me why HC is fine but core is unplayable..

     

    A lot of the problems can be helped by the router/tv setting suggestions, but like I said it didn't help me.

    • Re: Your router, connection and "game lag"
      UgotDoneUp

      he's VERY sarcastic in his reply's, which when your at the end of your rope with the game problem's is the last thing you want to read when you come on here looking for solution's. IMHO i don't blame him the lag fix thing has been done to death.

      • Re: Your router, connection and "game lag"
        maccabi

        UgotDoneUp wrote:

         

        he's VERY sarcastic in his reply's, which when your at the end of your rope with the game problem's is the last thing you want to read when you come on here looking for solution's. IMHO i don't blame him the lag fix thing has been done to death.

        Looking for solutions or explainations is fine, not liking the answers you get and then either insulting the person who replied or spitting the dummy is the point where I usually lose my helpful head abit especially as theres so much correct information and threads/posts/topics on the subject

      • Re: Your router, connection and "game lag"
        sneed867

        the "lag fix" has been done to death because its NOT OUR FAULT....activision doesnt want to admit anything, so they throw it at the customer, make them jump through hoops trying to fix it anyway they can

         

        not sure who is worse with online games, EA or activision. i remember when people lagged like crazy on Diablo 3 for the frist 6 months, people losing characters in hardcore because of lag, and they didnt do anything.

         

        activision uses cheap servers and worst ways to play an online game to keep the profit up

    • Re: Your router, connection and "game lag"
      blb128

      zingaa wrote:

       

      In some cases (like myself) the suggestions didn't work as I suffer from unplayable lag in core, HC is fine, which is still confusing to me why HC is fine but core is unplayable..

       

       

      Statements like these make me laugh. Core lags but HC doesnt? Its the same game and matchmaking system people. If HC plays better for you then that is the mode you should have been playing to begin with. Core isnt for everybody just like HC isnt for everybody. In core you have to stay on target longer to get rewarded for the kill. HC isnt for me because I enjoy engaging in gun battles. You dont get gun battles in HC because its all about seeing your opponent first, land your 1-2 bullets and its over that quick.

      • Re: Your router, connection and "game lag"
        zingaa

        blb128 wrote:

         

        zingaa wrote:

         

        In some cases (like myself) the suggestions didn't work as I suffer from unplayable lag in core, HC is fine, which is still confusing to me why HC is fine but core is unplayable..

         

         

        Statements like these make me laugh. Core lags but HC doesnt? Its the same game and matchmaking system people. If HC plays better for you then that is the mode you should have been playing to begin with. Core isnt for everybody just like HC isnt for everybody. In core you have to stay on target longer to get rewarded for the kill. HC isnt for me because I enjoy engaging in gun battles. You dont get gun battles in HC because its all about seeing your opponent first, land your 1-2 bullets and its over that quick.

        I'm glad you think it's funny. It's the same game? I wasn't aware thanks..I enjoy gun battles as well, but when I have to use 10-12 shots (getting hit markers) and the player can drop me with a pistol with one shot then core in BO2 is no longer for me.

      • Re: Your router, connection and "game lag"
        FalconR6

        It might be hard for someone to believe that HC plays more comsistent than Core - if they haven't experienced themselves. We all have different connectivity experiences. For me - I switched to HC after 7 prestiges of Core. HC plays more consistent - and it's not a placebo.

        Is there lag in HC - yes,, but its manageable. I don't get concrete boot syndrome in HC. Believe me - if I experienced the same amount of (behind the play type) lag on HC, as I did in Core, HC would be a disaster zone.

        Why is it different - no idea.

        I not the best gamer in the world, far from it, but 25 yrs experience of gaming as a hobby means I understand what's going on in my screen. I always listen to guys like Mac - for I'm not a tech head. But don't underestimate my gaming perspective - I'm an intelligent, level-headed guy. Also, the last thing I would do is "laugh" at someone else's experience just because it hasn't happened to me.

        In short - I can sympathize with Zingaa

        • Re: Your router, connection and "game lag"
          Ryrx

          I've seen similar issues.  If I can't connect to a game in core deathmatch I try a different mode and the issues seem to go away most times.  What I've seen is more than in game lag, it's simply being able to get into a game. This morning, I haven't even been able to get a game going.  Other games (AC3, Starcraft, BF3) are connecting normally and no noticeable issues.  Got to be something on their end.

        • Re: Your router, connection and "game lag"
          SitRepPro

          I suspect part of it might be that core lags more than hardcore, what with more explosives being thrown, perhaps faster paced, and often relentless use of scorestreaks since there aren't penalties to using them in core like with hardcore.  This is just a guess and could be way off the mark, but people cite Ground War having a tendency to lag more than its 6 v 6 variants so maybe there's something to it.

          • Re: Your router, connection and "game lag"
            FalconR6

            That is one of my uneducated guesses too. More "stuff" going on. Whether its explosives, scorestreaks, killcams, etc. I guess less data for the host to deal with, and ourselves for that matter. BO2 is supposed to take up very little bandwidth - : but it's how all this information relates from me to host, host to other player (x 11), then triangulated back to me somehow (a very simplistic view I know).

          • Re: Your router, connection and "game lag"
            Houdnik

            I tend to feel the same way.  Game modes with a lot of scorestreak and equipment spam, like ground war suck.

             

            I feel like Treyarch built in too many consequences to some of their streaks.  i.e. It's bad enough the warthog kills you, but they also made a sort of "heat wave" effect where your player feels like he's tripping on acid while the plane is flying by.  The Escort drone does the exact same thing.   They should've known better than to add these features....

  • Re: Your router, connection and "game lag"
    gdogg79

    Hopdevil96 wrote:

     

    Yes, every time I have an unbearable 0-6 start to a game and back out. Host migration.

    Stopped reading there

  • Re: Your router, connection and "game lag"
    playerone2

    Yes hardcore is definitely more consistant than core. I dont know why. Ive only gotten shot before i see the person round the corner a handful of times.

     

    In core it happens pretty much every time someone rounds a corner. we get used to it and adapt.

    Its still plenty frustrating.

     

     

    And capping my bandwidth helps me every time. not a placebo. more bullets register. bottom line.

  • Re: Your router, connection and "game lag"
    survivor95

    the main issue is the mb and ram. core has mini map which boggs everything causing temperature at exhaust port to reach into the 32'C range, hardcore has no minimap and runs at 31.7'C-------ambiant temp is 20'C. another issue is this cheaters who send your ip packets to gain advantage. cheaters with lag switches. this game seems cyclic, beast one game get destroyed(handicapped) the next 10 or smart camp and finish mid pack. oh yeah Remove TACTICAL insertion immediately or give evyone prestige master and all rewards and diamonds; not fair i spend hours playing everyday and earned my diamonds on smg, .........god don't make me play halo.

  • Re: Your router, connection and "game lag"
    ghostsniper2010

    i can tell u ur prob right now. ur using a G connection prob wireless N is fastest. try wireing ur connection 2nd go on speedtest.net and pingtest.net. u cant blame the game for ur bad connection i have a virgin media 60MB fibre optic HUB my upload is only 2.90 which is **** when i get host sometimes i go 0-10 but sometimes i **** the who other team. last night me and y other half was online she put agr warthog and dogs on i did the same i was host and we both got all our streaks which is good for us as my K/D is 1.06 hers in 1.02 we aint hardcore gamers we play for fun but you can not blame the game for ur bad connection

    • Re: Your router, connection and "game lag"
      Hopdevil96

      Took my modem into TWC and had them replace it. No change. Replaced my 6yr old G router with a Netgear dual band wireless N router and problems fixed. Phones and tablet are on one network and the laptops and Xbox are on another. I still have old school lag but can adjust to that. Not more froze host and hardly any "wtf" moments.