48 Replies Latest reply: Dec 9, 2012 6:12 AM by Out RSS

A fix for Kill Confirmed is needed....

the_murf53

I don't like how if your teammate collects your tag, he gets more points than you do.  That's bs because of the scorestreaks.  In MW3 no one went out of their way to steal your tags but now everyone does.  I'm tired of racking up double or triple kills to have my a-hole teammate steal my tags and get my points.  It's utter bs.  It should be half and half.  50 for you and 50 for the person who collected it.  Not 25 for you and 100 for the person that collected it.  It makes me look bad when I have 25-30 kills and only 8 confirms because of a-hole teammates.  I know it's not about the points it's about the win and etc but this game rewards you for playing the objective and it's hard to when you have morons taking your tags. 

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    Thembones

    make it 75 for the killer cause really i had gotten a escort drone by running around the map getting dogtags. I killed no one just got tags and i had the highest score at the end my escort drone got 12 kills had gotten 3.

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    In my experience, I'm one of the only people who goes for the tags.  I capture like 30 of them and the teammates only get like 12 each.

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    IndyOldGuy

    Agree, I have posted on this topic before, people knock you out the way now to grab the tags of someone you just killed!!!   Annoying as hell!!

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    Kingfury

    So, let's camp in the corner and let my teammate grab the tags, that seems fair.

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    r8edtripx

    Yup, it's crazy out there. People are bumping others out of the way to get tags; It's absolute mayhem. I'm out there dolphin diving for tags.Lol!

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      lol I think I'm going to have to play HKC.

       

      I dunno... If you sit and camp and someone else collects your tags thats your bad. If you run and gun, and get the tag it's earned. If someone else swipes your tag ... they too are running and gunning, and you will eventually get their tags right back. So it plays out for those who chance their KD for scorestreaks.

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    Harv72

    I understand why they did it this way, and to a point it works as intended.  They don't want people just sitting in KC and killwhoring, so by offering more points for confirming the kill than actually killing an opponent they give other players on that team the incentive to play the objective, even if one or two slayers still decide not to.  Plus in many cases collecting tags is actually more dangerous than killing someone.

     

    That said, I agree that they went too far with it.  Awarding the player who got the kill with 50 points (instead of 25) when a teammate confirms it evens things out much better, while still making it worthwhile to risk your own scorestreak by collecting them.

     

    For those calling out the OP for "camping", someone rocking a sniper or LMG in KC can be a very valuable part of their team without getting close enough to the action to collect very many tags.  Or it can be something as simple as pausing behind cover to reload before confirming the kill and then having a teammate swoop in to steal it.

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    greaTm

    I Know many times that i play KC most people dont go for the tags, so i think people that really do play it have just gotten a habbit of grabing the tags because they want to win. There are also times were the tags are just in the way and just by running by you get the tag, it cant be helped.

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    mdm123456789

    They need to just do away with teammates picking up tags. If it's not thier kill then they shouldn't get sh!t. Red tags should be the only thing teammates can get points from.

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    when I play HC KC I play in a 6 man crew. to me it does not matter to me who  get the points as long as we get the win for the match bonus.  and if i can kill and give the tags to a guy that is close to a swarm ohh well he can have them

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    Jaggajatt187

    Yeah this is a problem in KC. I don't mind if I get a long shot and my team mate confirms the kill, but if I kill 2 guys right in front of me and my teammate, who was next to me the whole time & didn't shoot once, switches to his knife only then runs and dolphin dives on my tags....I get 50 points he gets 200 that's totally unfair. You should get 50 for the kill and 50/50 if your teammate confirms the kills. People are such tag whores it's rediculous. I have confirmed other people's kills but I always try to avoid them if the guy who earned them is right there.

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    Maybe if the game wasn't based on Mario Bros. and I could just assume the enemy died after a headshot or getting blown up we wouldn't have this problem.

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      theevilsnuggles

      Personally if I see a tag I go for it. Not for the scorestreak but becuase to me it's 100% about the win. countless times I will kill someone and go to move in for teh tag and get killed before I get it meanwhile a teammate right next to me went a different way so the tag didn't get picked up and the other team earned their own tag. I'm willing to make teammates mad if it means we make sure the tags are collected. It goes both ways though, if a teammate collects tags from my kills I actually tell them good job becuase no matter if they do it for a scorestreak or the win they are playing as a team.

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    As someone who was ranked ~200 in KC before the leaderboards hacks in MW3, I agree treyarchs new scoring is a bit out if whack. I think several changes are needed.

     

    1) reduce the value of tags you confirm that aren't your kill.

    50 should go to the guy confirming it, 50 to the guy that got the kill.

    It's retarded that I kill a guy and basically have to race teammates that can't get a kill to the tag. Nothing aggrivates me more than dying close to a lodestar or another high end killstreak because my teammates screw me over and steal my tags

     

    2) increase the value of a kill. It's stupid that a kill is worth the same as a useless action like destroying a shock charge. I get the emphasis on the objective, but don't understand the point of kills being worth so little. I've gotten a lodestar for getting a 5 killstreak and gotten nothing for a 15. That's a bit out of whack. In order for their to be an object you have to get kills.

     

    3) increase value of a deny. Scorestreaks are meant to reward actions that help the team win. If you deny a tag that's one less point the enemy can get, thus helping the team. They aren't as important as confirms but are definitely more important than an assist and their score doesn't reflect that

     

    Those are a few changes id like to see

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    stumcgru

    At the start I thought it was unfair... But then it's like everything else... If ya can't beat em join em... Lightweight and extreme cond... Should get u there first...

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    its funny your not the first to complain about this but... in my exprience no one ever really picks up tags. I see plenty laying around unattended in both MW3 and bo2. I always would laugh playing this game mode because everyone seems to scared to get them lol and just sit there and keep killing all the while the game goes on forever and people are up to 30 and 40 kills on both sides. I agree it should be 50 50, i think we all do but its funny that i havent exprienced this even one time in MW3 or bo2.

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    monkeylord

    The solution is a simple one just plan your route better it's not that hard to make sure that 90% of the tags you create are collected by yourself. The scoring system is fine as it is. It discourages kill whores from clogging up KC and rewards objective minded players.

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      the_murf53

      Thing is I am an objective minded player.  Like someone said in another post above, if it's a long shot kill I don't care if someone grabs the tag.  Go for it.  But when I walk into a room and spray down 3 guys just to have my teammate dolphin dive past me for the tags I did the work for, that pisses me off.  I'm not one to ever steal someones tags.  If I'm in front of a teammate and he/she just killed someone in front of me, I won't take his/her tag.  That's their kill and their points towards their scorestreak.  It needs to be fixed so it's 50/50.  You would have a lot less people stealing tags that way.   

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        monkeylord

        The points did used to be better and all it encouraged was kill whores who just squated out for the entire match. Now at least people are pushing for tags granted it can be annoying if you need the points but the mode now seems to flow better.

        Compared to how it played on MW3 KC feels a lot better on BLOPs 2 and a lot of that is the point structure also a lot of tag rushers are so used to being the only ones going for tags.

        All in all KC is a lot better now than before the score system is fine it's just a pain on the odd time you get stuck with people who fail to grasp the concept of teamwork and snatch tags like in the situation you describe.

        But keeping it at 25 ensures that for most their primary thought is grabbing the tags they create. If you up it to 50 then it becomes less of a concern.

        Of all the things that need fixing KC isn't one of them i'm happy dropping a few tags if it means people are actually going for tags.

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          the_murf53

          You are right in that aspect and I get it.  People would just kill whore in MW3 but the thing is people still kill whore in this game too.  I was on a team with a guy (which by the way we lost) where he was 50-5 but had only 3-4 confirms.  Now mind you he might've been getting screwed out of his tags as well but I doubt it.  Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that you are rewarded for playing the objective but it's the people who aren't doing any of the wet work who are the ones being rewarded.  Maybe not a 50-50 split but the person who gets the kill should get more than 25 points.  Maybe 75-50 or 75-40.  Lower the collector and reward the killer with a little more.  That's all I'm saying. 

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    JKL_9697

    If a player picks up my tags i'm glad.....i think BLOPS2 got it right.....in MW3 players were using them as bait

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    40UP

    Yeah this was the problem  when they  had last stand you put the guy down your team mate finished him off an you got screwed on the points, I had said this from the begining  that tags whores would come out of the wood work for them tags just to boost there own kill score.

    The killer of the tags should get more then the guy picking them up sure he's going for them but they only do it cos they know it's an easy to to boost that kill score up faster then them getting there own kills.

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      Shadow_Alq

      There are a lot of details that dont need my comment. I hope KC players come here and tell you their point.

       

      Ill just say this: so you're the one going, as you say, 30 Kills and just 8 Confirms...and you are the guy that is actually complaining!??

       

      You wanted things changed for what? So you could end like 30 Kills - 15 Confirms!!? Cause, let be honest here: a guy that says that he kills 30 and confiirms only 8, and says that he is a objective-minded player, will never, in his life, get a Confirm for each Kill he gets!

       

       

      * What a laugh *

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        the_murf53

        What part of "people stealing my tags" did you not understand?

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          Shadow_Alq

          The part where Tags cant be stealed. Tags can only be picked.

           

          You go for Kills, not for Tags (not really opened to discussion, you stated it clearly). So, or your Tags would disappear, or players that are actually playing the mode (picking Tags) are...guess what?...picking Tags.

           

          Ill explain this in the simple way: you just get those kills cause you dont go for Tags. So, why blamming those who go?

           

          Just do some math: you kill 30 just to get 8 Confirms. Even if you were playing KC in Ground War you would have 8 more players in your team. If those 8 guys were like you your team score would be: 8 Confirms x 9 Guys = 72 Confirms. The match ends at 100. You get the math!?

           

          You are NOT the reason why most of KC matches have an ending. Youre just a simple Killwhore complaining about Objectives and objectives-players! Sorry, but its true. Play the mode.

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    RichterRavage

    I let them take my tags, meanwhile i destroy some other enemies. Got 2 warthogs in the same game with this method xD

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    featherman84

    The killer needs to get the points, the other collector should be awarded with nothing more then some assist points, after all he didn't do **** for it.

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      Highwayman0226

           You should definitely get more, or at least 50/50.  I really don't care if it's a ways away, and a team mate is there already, s'all good, it's about winning, but when you clearly kill someone and a team mate is pushing you out of the way to get tags you are 3 feet from, that's just ignorant.  I'll even call out tags if I get a kill from halfway across the map if there is a team mate over that way.  Get those points.

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    Highwayman0226

         I haven't played HCKC yet, but I'm pretty sure if I get a triple kill right in front of me, and a team mate dives right in front of me to pick them up, he's probably getting shot.

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    ots_dj3nvy

    You have to be joking right? Who cares if teammates collect the tags, it a TEAM oriented game.

     

    I don't see a problem with my teammates collecting my tags.

     

    What you should be really complaining about are the spawn points and matchmaking to be improved.

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      Shadow_Alq

      Ill short-cut this, cause its plain and simple actually:

       

      These guys that say "Kills are more important", "team mates should receive nothing or few for collecting Tags", are the killwhores in kC. They dont get that just the confirmed kills counted for global score and that the non-confirmed kills ment 0 (ZERO). So, since this is like this since MW3, what changed?

       

      And ill keep simple and tell you what have changed: in BO2, at the end of matches, now you not only see your Kills and Deaths, but you also see now the number of Confirms and Denies.

       

      So...what happens, and as the OP said, is that now they dont finish games 30 Kills - X Deaths like on MW3; they finish games like 30 Kills - X Deaths - 8 Confirms - 1 Deny.

      And since they play for KD stat, and since stats just mean something if others value it: these guys are just with bad mood because all people can see it now!

       

      They will continue thinking that killing is more important than picking the Tag that confirms that kill. They will continue getting 4 or 5 kills for each Tag they actually have the guts to go get it!

       

      Bottom line: they are losing matches for not playing the objective, and since they dont want to change the way the play, they put the blame on "others". "Others" in this case means those who are actually playing. But they will say they are "stealing".

       

      So I hope all have a good laugh on this people. I know I did!

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        Jaggajatt187

        You missed the point of this whole post. No one's saying that they want to kill whore, they are pissed at their team mates tag whoring. Everyone understands that the objective is to get tags, but there are people who go out of their way to take tags they didn't earn because it's worth more than the actual kill.

         

        As i said earlier, If I get a long shot and a team mate confirms the Kill I have no Problem. But when I get a double or triple kill and my team mate, who saw me kill both guys sprints past me and dophin dives on my tags that I earned it really annoying and acutally being a bad team mate. I've gotten a Quad feed and started to reload and a team mate ran past me and collected every single tag and 2 denies he got 450 pts for running and I got 100 pts for killing 4 guys, which is very tough in this game.

        I don't use lightweight or extreme conditioning or SMG's so I'm already at a disadvantage when I have to race my team mate to my tags.

         

        I agree that it's good they reward people for picking up tags, as people would kill whore in MW3 and avoid tags all together. But they need to even out the points awarded for collecting someone else's tags. I get 5-10 tags taken every game, and It's not from camping/head glitching/kill whoring I'm playing the objective but in a race I'll never win because I don't use speed perks.

         

        The Objective of the game is not only collecting tags, but trying not to die so the other team doesn't have an opportunity to collect tags as well. Rushing out blindly for tags is just as bad not collecting tags at all

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          Shadow_Alq

          Some siad or think this "The Objective of the game is not only collecting Tags, but not trying not to die..:"

           

          While this isnt intirely wrong, this is, on the other hand, much more similar to DEathmatch attitude.

           

          Yes, its better if you die few times, but that doesnt win KC games. What wins KC games is the number of "Yellows".

           

           

          You say you play the objective and get 5-10 Confirms by game. Oh well....and average player like me, and others you can see here on Forum (at least MonkeyLord too), collects an average of 15-17-20 Confirms a game (no matter our number of Kills or Deaths).

           

          So...now killwhores compare lol... Question: how many kills would you need to get 25 Confirmed by match!?? Ill tell you: you dont know the answer!

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    koluke

    Kill Confirm is my favourite game mode I think I average 30kills a game and leave with around 6K to 8.5K a game I have no problem with team mates capturing my tags assuming they can beat me too them

     

    Kill confirmed is a team based game collecting tags is the objective who cares if you or another team mate gets the tags? You both gain points you both are one step closer to winning the match. Its a win win situation just don't let the enemy get them before you or your team does.

     

    The way I see it it helps both of you get closer to your score streaks making it easier to win the match... Its not like you don't get any points from killing the player anyway.

     

    Winning is the important factor, as I said doesn't matter who gets the tags just make sure its not the enemy.

     

    Tip. Run an SMG with lightweight/extreme conditioning/switch to combat knife when chasing the tag.

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    TRU11

    The risk is higher when colleting or denying taggs and therefore the reward should be

    greater for those who go out of their way to collect them.

     

    its fine now.

     

    those without fear of dying will always collect more taggs then those who think kills alone will win you any game mode lol.

     

    Seriously those kill freaks should stick to TDM or  Free for all lol.

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      Jaggajatt187

      The risk all depends on the situation. If I kill 3 guys in a room and there's no risk of death but a team mate runs in blindly to collect the tags doesn't mean he deserves 300 Pts. Yeah there are kill whores and people who won't get tags because they are afraid of dying...but at the same time there are a lot of douches that will race you to get the tags. Lightweight isn't a perk I use so I lose those races. And racing my teammates ends up with both of us dying most of the time. Rushing around blindly for tags is just as bad as kill whoring because half the objective of the game is not dying so the other team can't get tags.

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    Never bothers me when someone else grabs my tag, as long as it's not the enemy. The game isn't all about you and your score streaks you know. Those people who think they need to compete for top score should probably just play free for all.

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      Shadow_Alq

      All these repplies!!..

       

      KC: you kill and you run for that Tag. Or you kill and you dont run for that Tag.

       

      If you run for those Tags you'll not last long: youll not get a lot of Scorestreaks but youll win the matches. If you kill but dont run for those Tags youll last long: youll call Scorestreaks but or 1) you lose the games or 2) or others win the games for you.

       

      Plain simple.

       

      Dont blame who plays. Fault in not theirs.

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    Out

    it does not bother me that teammates pick up my tags, .......i pretty much run and gun if i see a set of tags i grab them .....if i make a kill and my teammate gets the tags thats fine too because some of my confirms did not come from my kills......but it evens out or comes close to evening out by the games end .......no player is good enough to get 100% of his/her kill tags ......

     

    What i find amusing is players not picking up  red tags from killed teammates ........ I will go for the red tag faster than the yellow tag  if i can keep the other team from scoring first ...this put my team in a better position to get the win

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    BukLau101

    I don't mind teammates picking up my tags or would you rather go back to the mw3 days where everyone would ignore tags to try and killwhore for moabs.