27 Replies Latest reply: Jul 16, 2012 9:12 AM by iGotBombKush RSS

Is having gotten a 'MOAB' a prerequisite for being called a great player?

onlygladiator

I think a K/D is able to give a fairly decent indication of how good a player is. Sure, people tend to play defensively in order to attain higher K/Ds, but the game simply rewards people for doing so. Think of the difference between an 8 killstreak (having a chopper that will get shot down before it has even been able to enter the map) and a 9 kill streak (having a reaper that can easily grant an AC-130 if not an osprey gunner). So between what ranges would you classify players as decent, good and great (and any others you may want to include). But my main question is, in order to be able to be classified as a 'great' or maybe even 'fantastic' player, do you NEED to have gotten a MOAB? or is a high K/D good enough of an indication? Lemmeknowwhatyathink 

  • Re: Is having gotten a 'MOAB' a prerequisite for being called a great player?

         Id say no. You dont NEED to have gotten a nuke to be considered a good player. I consider myself a good player and find it pretty difficult to get nukes. Then again, im a solo player.

  • Re: Is having gotten a 'MOAB' a prerequisite for being called a great player?
    HEREIAMNOW

    For KD, I would say 1.3ish to low 2.0 KD are good players.  Anyone that plays to win and can win over 50% of the time is a good player.  I find people with higher KDs are campers and when you stomp them they quit the match to preserve their KDs.

     

    As far as MOABs, I haven't seen one used in any of my games nor have I ever gotten one.  But I only play TDM.  If anyone can get a MOAB in a TDM legitimately, on a regular basis, is hands down an awesomely good player or severly on the good side of lag comp.

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    indy56

    Never gotten a Moab, my gameplay will not let me as i am always running about  trying to do the objectives, as i only play Domination getting one of these would mean for me personally to play more stealthy which i choose not to, maybe when i have reached as far as i can go with prestiges perhaps i might camp it up a bit and sneak about the maps a bit more and try for one, however its not really bothered me before,

  • Re: Is having gotten a 'MOAB' a prerequisite for being called a great player?

    That is a definite NO.

     

    Tons of people have gotten MOABs and not all of them are skill based. You have your players who camp in corners, who boost, who rush, etc...

     

    There's all types of players that are able to get MOABs. In my personal opinion, I don't care whether or not I get a MOAB. I'm more of a support player. I provide the UAVs, the Advanced UAVs, Ballistic vest, EMPs, etc.... That's how I think the game should be played. Play the objective.

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    A good player is someone who can turn a game around.

    It's someone who will go negative to win the game if they have to.

    It's not the person who keeps camping when they are needed to help seal the win.

     

    I wish I could upload my Dom game yesterday on arkaden I started defensively guarding A flag and overlooking B flag picking the enemy off.

    In the mid game were done by about 50 points.

    So I started just going for the win.

     

    Stood capping b flag spraying down quads just straffing the crap out of these guys anyway I rallied the team and we won 200-197

     

    After I watched the replay it was crazy.

    I would call myself a good player but my kd is 1.28 and win loss 52%

    So some people would think I'm crap.

    Yet I'm usually top of the board.

     

    Stats are not a good tool to judge unless there kd is like  .50

  • Re: Is having gotten a 'MOAB' a prerequisite for being called a great player?
    godofpoptarts

    I think the mark of a good player is their Score Per Minute, combined with their K/D and W/L.

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    getting moabs or nukes doesnt show how good of a player you are most people who get them are either very lucky or boost for them

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    JBurn244

    HEREIAMNOW wrote:

     

    ...or severly on the good side of lag comp.

     

    Ding Ding Ding.

     

    If some nerd gets a MOAB against me after sponging my bullets over and over again, I am sure to send them a message letting them know it was a farse.

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    MOAB's are more kd related, it doesnt mean your a great player, it mean you can hold down choke points.. normally people who get a MOAB every other game, are normally spawn killers, which IMO voids out the moab, anyone can shoot fish in a barrel. if you can consistently run and gun and get MOAB's then id say your good, but people normally get one by watching choke points and spawn killing.. Ive gotten 7 in total MOAB's and never spawn killed, ima  defensive player that likes to hold choke points

  • Re: Is having gotten a 'MOAB' a prerequisite for being called a great player?

    No a MOAB doesn't make you good. Generally means that you don't PTFO!

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    Moab means = camping behind a wall .. waiting for someone to pass ..

     

    No one can get a moab on different circunstances .. why ? because if you to into a war u can Kill but u can be killed also ur not like god, maybe if ur using some kind of lag switch or lag compensation side ...ye that can be happen

     

    but in perfect conditions i doubt it ...

     

    A good player for  me is someone that plays the objective and support team work and dont care about K\D ratio to show to his friends is the best of his neibghourd .. whats the point ??

     

    Every time i see a chopper i change my class and shot it down ... ( yeh i know it cuts my killstreak and start all over again ) i support my team and i dont let those flying too much on the map .. if u want to kill like hell u have to do by your own ..

    My main objective is to play by the rules (demolition, domination, etc) not get sit on the corner and destroy the fun of the others that bought the game to play by the rules ..

     

    I think these kind of ppl must be avoided but it seems microsoft doesnt work properly on this area .. i tryed by myself doing some review about players and try to get avoided by them on a match but they keep showing..

     

    Maybe in other elite this kind of option can be used to avoid those "kiddy behind a wall" ..

     

    Just my 2 cents ..

  • Re: Is having gotten a 'MOAB' a prerequisite for being called a great player?
    JSlayer211

    Moab, really it doesn't show you have skill. Just shows you chose to have the lamest killstreak in the game lol. Sorry to say it but MoAB doesnt give you NEARLY as high amount of kills or support for your team had you chosen a support or assault streak. I would rather you have called in am emp with all kinds of other support than one stinking moab. Moab is the selfish man's game. That being said, MOAB's should not be able to be achieved in objective based games. Make it TDM/FFA only and let's see how many videos pop up lol.

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    supervelous

    Why do people say you have to camp to get a MOAB?  Also, JSLayer above says you "chose to have the lamest killstreak in the game", but you don't choose it as a killstreak, it's a killstreak for everyone no matter if you're running Assault, Specialist, or Support. 

     

    I have gotten MOABs running and gunning in TDM, playing the objective in Dom, grabbing tags in Kill Confirmed.  And I'm not even that great of a player.  There are players on Youtube getting Double MOABs playing the objective, Triple MOABS, quad MOABs running and gunning. 

     

    The people who say it's someone camping in a corner probably haven't gotten one. 

    • Re: Is having gotten a 'MOAB' a prerequisite for being called a great player?

      supervelous wrote:

       

      Why do people say you have to camp to get a MOAB?  Also, JSLayer above says you "chose to have the lamest killstreak in the game", but you don't choose it as a killstreak, it's a killstreak for everyone no matter if you're running Assault, Specialist, or Support. 

       

       

           Yeah, but you can only get a nuke by using only your weapon. If you call in a killstreak, and that killstreak gets a kill, then that voids the nuke.

       

           So, hes saying getting a nuke is selfish because you cant deploy killstreaks to help your team. Youre only focusing on yourself, and getting the nuke.

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        supervelous

        100% WRONG.  Calling in your killstreaks does NOT void the nuke at all.  The kills it gets just doesn't count towards the nuke kills. 

         

        I played with a friend last night who got a MOAB, he got it at like 35-0 running Assault.  He ended up like 50-0 before dying towards the end to finish 50-1.  it was his first MOAB. I watched it in his vault, he was getting kills the entire match with his Pred, Attack Heli, Overwatch.   

         

        I have gotten almost 60 MOABs but never with Assault, I have died 1 away from an Assault MOAB twice and 1 away from a Support MOAB once, but I run Specialist 99% of my games because I like running and gunning.

         

        Also, how is using your gun "selfish", I think it's less selfish running Specialist sometimes in a game like Kill Confirmed and grabbing tags - or even Domination - kills don't matter, you running to tags and flags does. 

        • Re: Is having gotten a 'MOAB' a prerequisite for being called a great player?
          JSlayer211

          I think you understand the underlying point that's being made, but you are hell bent on being right. People going for MOAB's are 9 out of 10 never playing the objective. I can throw a stone and hit 10 people claiming they play the objective all the time and get MOABs. But where are those videos? It's normally in someone's mythical vault hidden away or some staged game to try and prove a moot point.

           

          When I say you "choose" this killstreak, I mean the obvious effort that goes into avoiding any dangerous situations that could ruin your precious killstreak. While the actual team that is playing for the win is carrying the load for the scaredy cat running the outskirts of the map to protect his "precious." (I used my golem voice there for emphasis)

           

          When you see a MOAB hit the map, it's normally followed with "where the fck was this guy?" I assure you, it wasn't near a heavy fire zone or fast paced action. Get a nonstaged MOAB running only the center of Bootleg map and capping the B flag several times lol. Won't happen!

          • Re: Is having gotten a 'MOAB' a prerequisite for being called a great player?
            supervelous

            I do agree that the majority of MOABs (more than 50%) in Objective modes are probably not by someone capping B flag multiple times.  But also, capping B flag multiple times is many times not necessary.  I am sure you have been in plenty of Dom games, like I have, where you hold 2 flags and defend for almost the entire match bc your team is simply better than the other team.  You're not losing B flag in those situations usually. 

             

            I'd say the majority of my Dom MOABs came while holding 2 Dom flags.  And I'm sorry but Triple Capping in Dom is a flawed strategy IMO.

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               Well, ok then. I stand corrected, and retract that last reply, haha.

           

               My first thought after reading his comment was the same as yours. Why would that be selfish? I thought about it, and what i said earlier is what i came up with. I was too lazy to look it up, haha. Killstreaks nullifying your nuke streak made sense to me, in a way. So, i just explained to you what i thought his comment meant.

           

               So, im now back to my instinctive thought, and i somewhat agree with you. It would still be kinda selfish though, because the dude is only focused on a certain thing, and NOT helping his team. Although, he is killing a sh*tload of people and getting a nuke would give your team a good amount of time to cap objectives and plant bombs.

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      If its an assault move and you play the objective then fine.

       

      99% of the time tho it's a guy at the edge of the domination map camping with specialist getting a Moab then stabbing the air lol ending with peace

       

      I honestly don't think a legit quad moab will ever happen.

      Most moabs on YouTube are fake settup by youtubers with multiple accounts just tryna get subscribers for a partnership.

       

      If I was tryna make YouTube my Job lol I would probably do the same

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    codchamp

    So in order to be a good player you need to get Moabs? So i must be a god! Got 3 lastnight But seriously You dont need to have a great K/D or to have gotten a Moab to be considered good. Getting a Moab just means you got a 24-25 killstreak. A great player is someone who does good for the team. Going positive and keeping the death count low in TDM. Capping objectives or not rushing and dying in no resapwn games.I my opinon if you have a good W/L in all game modes...then you are good.

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    Considering most people get them exploting other people trying to play the objective on domination, no. That doesn't make you good, just greedy. That's why I think I only have one moab on domination, I can't help but to want to win and don't care how many deaths that might take. 

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    No K/D means ****. Look up a guy named xxxVAQUISHxxx. He talks so much trash in the lobby about his K/D and win lose stats. Then everytime he has a bad game he dashborads like a *****.